Dear Joey, Jules, and Ricky

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1911 form check

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The guy who wrote the vertical jump bible said that you'd be happy with your vertical jump around the time when you can squat 2x your bodyweight. S&C coaches know that a guy who can deadlift 500 is fundamentally capable of cleaning more than if he could deadlift 300. (I don't even think 500 is a huge number in the world of powerlifting... the big guys have pulled more than half a ton. The general sense I get is that 600ish is about when you go from the realm of "guy who's been lifting for a long time" to "powerlifter who trains solely to get better at lifting".)

Point being that getting stronger increases your force-generating capabilities and your power potential. Lifting heavy is the best way to get stronger, so that's what people do. I don't really understand why you think that building stronger muscles, stronger tendons, and thicker bones is going to lead to long-term problems.

Scorchy poo I don't think building stronger muscle will lead to long term problems if done right. I do believe doing "power lifting" and when I say power lifting I mean all the shit most people cringe at doing like squats, deadlifts, cling and press, heavy shoulder shrugs, military press you get the idea. I dont think you're going to have issues by doing heavy bench, curls, legs,etc.... Me personally when I was playing college football my coaches had me doing military press and I ended up tearing my rotator cup that still gives me fits to this day when im grappling (juijitsui) or wrestling. Sure not everyone will have problems but to say that lifting heavy heavy weight over a long period time does no damage to tendons and muscle fibers is just plain silly. All im trying to get at is there is ABSOLUTELY no point lifting that kinda shit unless you're looking to compete, its just not worth it. The majority of people in the gym are looking to get "fit" and you can easily do that by lifting light weight with lots of reps.

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Also, apparently my plate-spotting technique needs improvement.

The gym I went to on base in Quantico had 100lb, 45lb, 35lb, 25lb, 10lb, 5lb, 2.5lb plates. My mind was **** blown as my gym here at home only has 45, 25, 10, 5, 2.5 plates

You went to a gym on a Marine Corps base full of Marines who can't deploy and have nothing better to do than bro out at the gym, and you're surprised?

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It sucks that you injured your shoulder while lifting, but pressing is actually an important movement that doesn't get trained enough. Tennis/baseball/volleyball all use movements that can injure the shoulder, and pressing strengthens the rotator cuff to protect it during those movements but sadly most athletes playing these sports don't know that unless they happen to be athletic enough to play at a high intercollegiate level where they can make use of an S&C coach/programmer.

Is there a point to deadlifting 500 pounds for your average joe? Probably not. For most people that do that, they're either training for athletic competition or they just want to see how far they can push. For someone like me who grew up a moderately athletic beanpole, I wish I had known how to lift and how important it is to be strong back when I was in high school. My goals at this point are to get stronger and eventually drop some of the excess weight I've picked up over the past decade. I'm not moving insane weights, but I know I feel much stronger than I did 3 months ago. Squat/press/deadlift are the way to go if you want to get real, functional strength. I'll get back to you when I can dunk a basketball though Being weak sucks.

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Also, apparently my plate-spotting technique needs improvement.

The gym I went to on base in Quantico had 100lb, 45lb, 35lb, 25lb, 10lb, 5lb, 2.5lb plates. My mind was **** blown as my gym here at home only has 45, 25, 10, 5, 2.5 plates

You went to a gym on a Marine Corps base full of Marines who can't deploy and have nothing better to do than bro out at the gym, and you're surprised?

yeah actually. I never knew a 35lb plate existed until I went there.

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Huge fail troll post.

Hmm?

I don't do crossfit at all, but we however do use some of the techniques in the "mma world" Believe me brosuf, I know crossfit is a gimmic, just like all these idiots u see giving private "Boot camp" lessons in your local park. Its the new phad and fat lazy people will always look for the newest and brightest way to lose weight. Me personally I would get alot more out of doing some crossfit exercises then I would lifting heavy weights. However, I'm not looking to compete in weight lifting competitions or trying to impress girls at my local gym. We work on alot of twitch muscle exercises with high intervals to train the muscles to compete for longer amounts of time. I guess to each there own but I do not see ANY reason to be lifting heavy weights unless its to compete. You can throw all your bodybuilding.com facts out you want but you can't convince me that lifting like that even with good technique is not somehow bad for the body, especially down the road in life. And Brosuf you roid rage harder then anyone else on these forums so take some test 250 and calm down.

CrossFit cares more about the number of squats, deadlifts, pullups, etc. you can do in two minutes than form and safety. It is by far the dumbest, most dogmatic, and unethical training regimen out there. In terms of fat loss and/or muscle gain, a standard strength routine is infinitely superior. If you're looking to increase the number of times you can flip a tractor tire then CrossFit...actually, no, a standard strength routine is probably still better.

Lifting is not bad for your body if you use a weight your body can handle. Are you joking? Arnold lifted for years, took roids, then completely stopped while doing other unhealthy things to his body. Using him as your model is a joke. Take someone who has been lifting all his/her life and has maintained general health that entire time. Compare someone like that vs. someone who does not lift.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_LaLanne

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1 month in.

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come on, man. you're takin too **** long.

should've turned around and pulled one of these