He was shoved. He stuck up for himself and shoved back. Either way, the other kid quit, no one was hurt, and all was well on the pirate ship water slide attraction. You're assuming I'm an advocate for violence among children, which I'm obviously not.alex kirk wrote: Was your son being threatened because someone cut him in line for a water slide? I didn't think so.
Did you watch her little video? She pretty much holds up 3 cards saying A) I was looking for attention on the internet B) Guys told me I was cute and they asked for nudes C) I sent them nudes and they blackmailed meI don't know if this deserves a response, but regarding everything you said you are either A) wrong, B) misinformed, or C) not depicting the truth in its entirety.
Yes, I understand. If you read the whole article, you would've caught this:A minor sending topless photos to another minor =/= an adult sending nude photos to a minor.aLpha.cn-[tang] wrote:Actually, I'm pretty sure it is a crime--or at least can be interpreted as one. Children taking pictures of themselves nude and sending them to others can be construed as producing and distributing child pornography and I'm pretty sure some kids are actually registered sex offenders as a result, sadly. There's a lot of debate about the sex offender registry as there isn't really a distinction between the severity of offenses.
See: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/us/21 ... d=all&_r=0
First Google search result. Research further if you're remotely interested.
Yes, it isn't specifically sending it to another minor (this is the very first article found after a Google search), but the act of simply sending it can be interpreted as distribution and I assume strictly minor-to-minor cases can be and has been dealt with similarly. As it says later in the article, some states have amended their child pornography laws to take into account certain situations and specifically punish those who circulate photos to people for which they weren't intended instead of just the blanket federal laws enforced now. Again, I'm not absolutely clear and just speaking from what I understand. Do more research if you're interested.Last year, a 14-year-old New Jersey girl was arrested and charged with possession and distribution of child pornography after posting dozens of sexually explicit photographs of herself on MySpace.
That is advocating violence whether you like it or not. There's a reason we look up to people who do the exact opposite and have gone down in history as some of the most admirable men (and women). Violence is a last resort sort of thing. You're telling your child it isn't.CharlieGiteau wrote:He was shoved. He stuck up for himself and shoved back. Either way, the other kid quit, no one was hurt, and all was well on the pirate ship water slide attraction. You're assuming I'm an advocate for violence among children, which I'm obviously not.
Bro, she was 12 years-old. Since when do 12 year-olds have the same kind of understanding regarding the long-term implications of their actions? You are taking your adult mentality and applying it to a child as though it holds constant. It doesn't. She has no **** clue what she's doing.james- wrote:Did you watch her little video? She pretty much holds up 3 cards saying A) I was looking for attention on the internet B) Guys told me I was cute and they asked for nudes C) I sent them nudes and they blackmailed me
She was way too open with her personal information and it bit her in the ass.
It reminds me of those retarded stories on bb.com where guys troll girls on facebook/pof, except this time it's not funny because you hear the other side of the story.
I really don't care about this situation at all, but I'm downloading the walking dead right now and have nothing to do until it's done.
Is this THE Todo? Or some knock-off Todo? If the former: good to see your name! If the latter: **** you kid change your username. And apologize for breaking my heart.Todo wrote:I don't have a lot to add here, except that I agree with almost all of what Kirk said. The one deviation is that, as far as I can tell, it's a crime under the US code to send a nudie from minor to minor. But that's the US, and we're talking about Canada. Sandusky got 30-60 for double digit counts. Graham James, in Canada, got 2+ years for hundreds -- HUNDREDS -- of counts charged. The Canadian system is thoroughly flawed, and it doesn't stop at this.
*Edit: here's the quick comparison I was looking for https://twitter.com/EricOnSportsLaw/sta ... 5302731777
this is why i miss you, alex. waiting for a reference to nietzschealex kirk wrote:That is advocating violence whether you like it or not. There's a reason we look up to people who do the exact opposite and have gone down in history as some of the most admirable men (and women). Violence is a last resort sort of thing. You're telling your child it isn't.CharlieGiteau wrote:He was shoved. He stuck up for himself and shoved back. Either way, the other kid quit, no one was hurt, and all was well on the pirate ship water slide attraction. You're assuming I'm an advocate for violence among children, which I'm obviously not.
Your son now believes violence is an appropriate response even if his safety is not in immediate danger. Rather, it is appropriate simply due to some kid having shitty parents (and subsequent manners) who did not teach him/her respect.
Bro, she was 12 years-old. Since when do 12 year-olds have the same kind of understanding regarding the long-term implications of their actions? You are taking your adult mentality and applying it to a child as though it holds constant. It doesn't. She has no **** clue what she's doing.james- wrote:Did you watch her little video? She pretty much holds up 3 cards saying A) I was looking for attention on the internet B) Guys told me I was cute and they asked for nudes C) I sent them nudes and they blackmailed me
She was way too open with her personal information and it bit her in the ass.
It reminds me of those retarded stories on bb.com where guys troll girls on facebook/pof, except this time it's not funny because you hear the other side of the story.
I really don't care about this situation at all, but I'm downloading the walking dead right now and have nothing to do until it's done.
And I agree about bb.com - I think the people who do that are pieces of shit. And if one of those girls killed themselves for incessant harassment over the course of years, guess who I would blame?
Tell me: was the bullying justified? Did she deserve that kind of reaction? If so: elaborate. If not: the fault lies in the bullying. Try to tell me otherwise. The second you acknowledge the bullies took it too far is the second you are admitting they are in the wrong, and the reason for her suicide. If you can prove otherwise, I would love to hear it.
Is this THE Todo? Or some knock-off Todo? If the former: good to see your name! If the latter: **** you kid change your username. And apologize for breaking my heart.Todo wrote:I don't have a lot to add here, except that I agree with almost all of what Kirk said. The one deviation is that, as far as I can tell, it's a crime under the US code to send a nudie from minor to minor. But that's the US, and we're talking about Canada. Sandusky got 30-60 for double digit counts. Graham James, in Canada, got 2+ years for hundreds -- HUNDREDS -- of counts charged. The Canadian system is thoroughly flawed, and it doesn't stop at this.
*Edit: here's the quick comparison I was looking for https://twitter.com/EricOnSportsLaw/sta ... 5302731777
I did not realize a minor would get in trouble - thanks for clearing it up. All the same, that, to me, is kind of a non-issue in that her sending nudes to another minor/minors does not justify what people did to her, and subsequently they deserve the blame as that was the motivation leading up to her suicide.
Girl sends nudes --> people harass her for years --> suicide
If the middle portion of that chain is unjustified, then the suicide lies on those people. If they were "right" in how they treated her for the years following her incident as a 12 year-old, then I guess it's all her fault. But good luck convincing anyone that reaction was justified (not directed at you, Todo, just rambling here).
Bullies = birds of preySwiss wrote:this is why i miss you, alex. waiting for a reference to nietzsche
Rambizzle wrote:another victim of bullying:
Haha, yeah, it's me. Nice to see old names again.alex kirk wrote: Is this THE Todo? Or some knock-off Todo? If the former: good to see your name! If the latter: **** you kid change your username. And apologize for breaking my heart.