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[scorch-]

do it on LAN ya filthy cheaters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsKsXwlM4yA&t=6m18s

[zbeec]

the natural selection thing is why everyone in the game never called cheats on anyone, just scripts. it was horrible and obnoxious to have to deal with the talentless shits who had to resort to that.




as far as comparing quickswitch to easy moding crouch hopping to the point it almost requires no thought is ridiculous. one offers an advantage, and the other is just THOUGHT to offer an advantage by idiots who run pubs.

i've long believed scripting is way more of an issue than actual cheats. wallhacking and bullshit like that can be detected through demo views. you can't find a script through a demo if the person knows how to script well. m_pitch, and other shit like that has been HUGE in dod forever. i mean who wouldnt want to make their bar/garand have barely any upwards recoil ?

it's not surprising cleanDOD is getting a shit load of objections.

who no recoils? that shit is over rated

[crawtona]

the natural selection thing is why everyone in the game never called cheats on anyone, just scripts. it was horrible and obnoxious to have to deal with the talentless shits who had to resort to that.


as far as comparing quickswitch to easy moding crouch hopping to the point it almost requires no thought is ridiculous. one offers an advantage, and the other is just THOUGHT to offer an advantage by idiots who run pubs.

i've long believed scripting is way more of an issue than actual cheats. wallhacking and bullshit like that can be detected through demo views. you can't find a script through a demo if the person knows how to script well. m_pitch, and other shit like that has been HUGE in dod forever. i mean who wouldnt want to make their bar/garand have barely any upwards recoil ?

it's not surprising cleanDOD is getting a shit load of objections.

You're comparing a script (aka a set of commands setup through the config/console in order to perform multiple actions with a single click of a button) to binding a single key to a single command. Something that can be done by anybody simply through the GUI. No "scripting" or even use of the console is necessary. Literally built into the game, just like quickswitching.

Your entire argument is predicated on the belief that a mechanic built into the game should have X amount of difficulty to achieve, where X is some arbitrary value you have created in your mind. It is not impossible in the least to use CTRL (or shift, or any other key on your keyboard) to achieve the same "advantage" that using mousewheel down/up does, it's just a bit more difficult/requires a bit more practice.

Quickswitching has never been illegal. Binding mousewheel to duck has always been illegal. That is a poor assumption.

Just because it's illegal, doesn't mean it should be. Plus, I was being sarcastic to make a point. The point being, you are banning a mechanic of the game based on your belief that said mechanic should require a higher amount of difficulty to achieve or gives some unfair advantage (even though everybody is just as capable of using it). Just like pubs want you to mash your number keys instead of the quickswitch button.

It's not the biggest deal in the world, just take a little bit of getting used to tapping crouch instead of...tapping crouch with a different button. It's just a dumb rule, imo.

[motive]

This has always been illegal, and for a good reason: you break a broken game's broken hitboxes even more when you do this shit. It's the same reason spamming hand-signals was banned in CAL/TPG, because your character is flailing around with **** up hitboxes. That doesn't require any effort either, but it's illegal nonetheless.

There's lots of shit that's "built into the game" that you aren't allowed to do. Illegal spots, boosting, duck spamming, hand signal spamming, 16-bitting if you're a CS player at least... list goes on.

It is not impossible in the least to use CTRL (or shift, or any other key on your keyboard) to achieve the same "advantage" that using mousewheel down/up does, it's just a bit more difficult/requires a bit more practice.

Do you really think that you can press a key with your pinky/ring finger faster that the mousescroll event gets fired? I'll write the code for you to test that theory out and prove me wrong.

[crawtona]

This has always been illegal, and for a good reason: you break a broken game's broken hitboxes even more when you do this shit. It's the same reason spamming hand-signals was banned in CAL/TPG, because your character is flailing around with **** up hitboxes. That doesn't require any effort either, but it's illegal nonetheless.

There's lots of shit that's "built into the game" that you aren't allowed to do. Illegal spots, boosting, duck spamming, hand signal spamming, 16-bitting if you're a CS player at least... list goes on.

It is not impossible in the least to use CTRL (or shift, or any other key on your keyboard) to achieve the same "advantage" that using mousewheel down/up does, it's just a bit more difficult/requires a bit more practice.

Do you really think that you can press a key with your pinky/ring finger faster that the mousescroll event gets fired? I'll write the code for you to test that theory out and prove me wrong.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding how it's being used to some great advantage. I've used it to occasionally hop around a corner (incredibly easy to do with CTRL as well) and also to sprint run more efficiently (sprint, crouch hop into a crouch, also go a tick faster down hill, both completely achievable without mousewheel). How would spamming it be used to an advantage? Seems that would **** you up more than help you.

[Cage]

I had always used crouch bound to mwheel only for regaining stamina after running or for flutter peeking as a sniper. Was pretty hard when I found out it was illegal to get use to not using it.

I have always played with my crouch bound to ctrl and C so I can tap C while strafing left and ctrl when strafing right. Just a suggestion.

[naz]

This has always been illegal, and for a good reason: you break a broken game's broken hitboxes even more when you do this shit. It's the same reason spamming hand-signals was banned in CAL/TPG, because your character is flailing around with **** up hitboxes. That doesn't require any effort either, but it's illegal nonetheless.

There's lots of shit that's "built into the game" that you aren't allowed to do. Illegal spots, boosting, duck spamming, hand signal spamming, 16-bitting if you're a CS player at least... list goes on.

It is not impossible in the least to use CTRL (or shift, or any other key on your keyboard) to achieve the same "advantage" that using mousewheel down/up does, it's just a bit more difficult/requires a bit more practice.

Do you really think that you can press a key with your pinky/ring finger faster that the mousescroll event gets fired? I'll write the code for you to test that theory out and prove me wrong.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding how it's being used to some great advantage. I've used it to occasionally hop around a corner (incredibly easy to do with CTRL as well) and also to sprint run more efficiently (sprint, crouch hop into a crouch, also go a tick faster down hill, both completely achievable without mousewheel). How would spamming it be used to an advantage? Seems that would **** you up more than help you.

This has nothing to do with just a simple hop around a corner. Duck running (originally called the Russian Walk in cs after the guy who discovered it) is where you use mouse wheel to crouch rapidly. One of the things it does it is screws with your hitboxes, making you noticeably hard to hit. The reason it is illegal to bind crouch to mousewheel is that the mousewheel allows you to execute crouches very quickly in rapid succession. It's much harder to abuse this hitting ctrl (or other key) with your pinky.

[akiro]

First off i wasnt referring to quickswitch and crouch hopping via mosewheel as scripts, i was talking no recoil and other binds people use to change recoil/mechanics of the game based on current weapon being used.


Secondly once again i said quickswitching does absolutely nothing besides eliminating the need to hit more than one button yo perform a function that does not alter the games mechanics in an unfair way. Crouch hopping via mousewheel takes advantage of the severely broken dod/hl hitboxes and makes you crouch hop to further break said hitboxes. If you have to manually hot ctrl repeatedly or whatever button you choose to do it everytime i gurantee it will be way less effective than jist being able to roll your finger quickly. Yes everyone can do it, but does it make it right?

But who knows maybe the issue is now people have to learn to adjust and are mad?

[crawtona]

But who knows maybe the issue is now people have to learn to adjust and are mad?

I don't know. I'm still not convinced it would actually make sense to use it in the way that it supposedly causes an unfair advantage, but either way, they aren't going to reverse the rule or anything so I guess the only thing to do is remember to unbind it (and then get stuck on small ledges while scrolling through my weapons like an idiot for a week or two).

[knockout]

Just because it's illegal, doesn't mean it should be. Plus, I was being sarcastic to make a point. The point being, you are banning a mechanic of the game based on your belief that said mechanic should require a higher amount of difficulty to achieve or gives some unfair advantage (even though everybody is just as capable of using it). Just like pubs want you to mash your number keys instead of the quickswitch button.

I know you were being sarcastic. I was just pointing out how weak your point was.

First off, this was banned years ago when it was discovered. And guess what? There was no outrage against it, because it is obvious how it ruins the game. When a player model is constantly going between duck and standing, their hitboxes are constantly switching from duck hitboxes to standing hitboxes. There is no fluid movement for these, so you're basically playing hitbox roulette when you try to shoot a player who is doing this. This is why this bind has been, is, and will remain illegal.

Secondly, it absolutely should require a higher amount of difficulty to achieve this. This is breaking the fundamentals of a FPS game, and making yourself very hard to hit should not be as easy as tweaking a bind. Doesn't that seem a little bit like making your recoil easier to control by tweaking a command? Just because everyone is capable of doing it doesn't mean it should be done. Everyone is capable of aimbotting, but I don't think it's a good idea to allow that.