explain pls?

[mogers]

Why don't we just change the TPG rules and have the evidence (demo) released after a decision has been made? It would help keep things in check. Grow up.

[nomis]

[Beas]

[squatta_leader]

Well, hrm.

It's interesting to me that this has become an issue in the current "dead" era of DoD.

I should preface whatever opinions I might have with the fact that I no longer play DoD, and haven't actively played through a season since 2006. So, my knowledge base as far as what's important to current players is limited to just observing the discussions on 1911 and the personal anecdotes that some of you have shared with me on the subject (both not really a good objective representation of the community as a whole).

But, I can say that the policy of not releasing cheater evidence publicly made a whole lot of sense for a league like CAL circa 2006 because there were 5,000 players and a much larger infrastructure of game and operations admins, as well as a whole team of Quality Control admins (lol) whose sole purpose was to review these kind of situations.

While I certainly understand why admins have continued the policy long after the death of CAL, there are a lot of valid arguments to be made for the case that it isn't an ideal policy for the community as it is today. And, the tried and true "we've always done it this way" isn't exactly the most logically sound argument to make in support for the continuation of the "no evidence" policy. This issue has come up enough in the last year or so that in my opinion it's worth re-evaluating and perhaps coming up with a new system that is more transparent, and better suited for the current community.

That being said, you can have whatever negative opinions or personal vendettas that you want in regards to past or present admins (we like to do that a lot in this community), but the reality is that this community has been incredibly lucky to have had as many well-intentioned people take the time to volunteer as admins as it has, and instances of real #absolutepower admin corruption, while they have occurred, have been few and far between in 14 years of DoD.

[nik]

Let me post some random mostly unrelated stuff from my brief (I have only been active a few times) experienced with euro dod from 2008-2012 ish (before tpg.eu)



Few leagues no AC team. Enemy down had a AC team consisting of 0 competent admins. Later stin joined, but after this stin got the blame for every person he banned that wasn't 300% blatant and claled corrupt. Also because demo's were all over the place.

At some point in 2008-9 or so calli posted a video and demo of swav aka chrisey blatantly cheating on the community site at the time. Onepointthree.org. Even though this guy was obviously hacking. The entire .eu scene ridiculed calli and said blank was clean.

I have called some german noobs cheater and the german community still laughs at me and treats me like an idiot. You cannot publically win these kind of arguments vs an entire nation. Even though I still claim the idiots cheated and that that entire country is incompetent and I was right and they were obviously wrong.

But even when dealing with the .eu "elite" you end up in total chaos. When trying to get blank banned and discussing this with Blade and clan Arsenik (top french clan). Blade claimed it was just skill and that blank was better than an1mal. Saw nothing wrong with the evidence I showed him untill weeks after the ban. Arsenik on the other hand seemed to have no knowledge of cheats but in a different way. They thought everything was a cheat, but seemed to use the wrong arguments (did not convince me or saw something totally different in the stuff I gave them).


In short the entire scene is clueless. Making stuff public would result in more chaos. Although I doubt it would matter at this point. If the .eu scene was still active the tpg system would be perfect. If they got over the fact that they are just no longer used to people getting banned. Also if a person gets banned here it's 1 year? I believe .eu bans in the past lasted way longer. But people playing dod now wouldn't know this because they never dealt with any sort of AC.

[An1maL]

Oh my, this thread took an unexpected turn into a serious discussion! In the past (when dod was big), euro bans didn't matter so much because generally each league had their own admins and they could only ban players from that league. For example blythe was banned from clanbase but he still played in cdodl, and reZ was banned from CAL but free to play elsewhere. These days if you're banned you're **** because there's only one league, so we have to be 99% certain there's dodginess afoot. And that's fine because if you feel the need to hack in a 12 year old game with a tiny community, it's a new level of pathetic.

Even so I don't think demos should be released publicly....either we have faith in the anti-cheat team or we don't. If we do have faith in them, then we don't need to see the demos. If we don't have faith in them, then why are they even the AC team?

Personally I CBA to watch a demo of your average Pepé Le Hackeur, I'd rather trust the AC team to judge it. Except in the case of floyd where he wasn't being banned and it got ridiculous.

The current system seems to work, anyway. Has there ever actually been a genuinely good & respected player banned, where most top players would say: that ban was a mistake? Most of the time it's pretty clear cut.

[nik]

But clanbase was huge at the time.
Wasn't rez also banned from ueda? Or whatever that ban organisation was called. The one that was supposed to sync all bans with all the leagues, but somehow didn't last very long.

I still think bans back then were much worse. A new id wasn't as cheap as it is now, the scene was big and dod mattered more, some people even had dreams of going to cpl or whatever. A ban would have been a problem.

[PoweR]

sorry to get back on the actual ban of noname, but why is it so hard to understand that the french community (what's left of it anyway) don't trust the tpg's AC team? I mean we get flamed pretty much everywhere for being french (or french speaker) and when i see the likes of tonymontana who seems to only wait treads like this one to release all his frustration (no moderation for that?), it makes me wonder if you are actually objective when you have to watch the demos of a french player.

[nik]

sorry to get back on the actual ban of noname, but why is it so hard to understand that the french community (what's left of it anyway) don't trust the tpg's AC team? I mean we get flamed pretty much everywhere for being french (or french speaker) and when i see the likes of tonymontana who seems to only wait treads like this one to release all his frustration (no moderation for that?), it makes me wonder if you are actually objective when you have to watch the demos of a french player.

I don't think there is a real problem. As far as I know clan arsenik (and maybe you also) has always thought both Noname and FLoyd cheated. Wasn't noname on the dod.fr banlist ? The verbal abuse you are talking about is from 1911. Not tpg. Unless ward is still an admin which would be somewhat inappropriate I guess. But 1911 should not be taken too seriously. Every post is sarcastic, cynical or whatever. Even for me it is not easy to know if they are serious (99% of the time they are not). For someone from France I imagine it is even more confusing.

Also no one here takes tony seriously except maybe loker. It would be best if a french european dod player joined the AC team (if there ever is a next tpg.euro). So things won't get out of hand like with the Foyd ban. ALso I don't believe the french who feel wronged ever since the floyd ban. Ever actually disputed any of the non-french players.

[An1maL]

why is it so hard to understand that the french community (what's left of it anyway) don't trust the tpg's AC team?

I don't think anybody in this thread has a problem understanding that. Nobody cares though....if they don't trust the TPG ac team, they shouldn't be playing in TPG

I mean we get flamed pretty much everywhere for being french

The majority of people don't think like that. Nobody has a problem with people like mdk, arsenik guys etc. Sadly, most matches vs french teams in the last few years, you are almost guaranteed to find someone with low rates, someone you suspect of cheating, or someone who was banned in the past.

edit: But I'm sure the ac team doesn't take into account nationality, unless they're a bunch of closet racists