Beef or Whey

[sevEN]

You are just another vicitim of successful marketing on behalf of the supplement companies. Instead of beef protein, try eating actual beef post workout, your anabolic window lasts much longer than the standard fifteen mintues that is engrained into your head by the protein shake companies. Also, being relatively young, you don't need all of those supplements... Your body is producing enough testosterone to make significant muscular gains. I put on about twenty pounds and shot up in weights by following the right routine while taking no supplements. Just look at everything as a science experiment with your body. And as Flux said, just eat baseball player sized meals... If you say you can cut weight easily and are young, I would be filling my face like a fat hog. I would kill for the same metabolism I had when I was 21.

Also, this.

I still keep a bottle of whey around just in those very desperate situations that i just NEED calories on the go, like if i am late for work in the morning and i know i won't have a break for another 4 hours to eat my first meal... but i don't remember the last time i took a shake after a workout. i lift, drive to the store, buy ground beef and sweet potato, go home, cook, and then eat. and as ao said, that anabolic window is a LOT wider than you are made to believe, mostly in order to push you to buy whey and chug it down before you get home from the gym in fear of losing all of your gains.

[Jstampz]

I much rather drink a shake within 5 minutes of my workout, then eat within 45-60 minutes.

[kirk]

ao and Joey are dropping knowledge on you and you're being an idiot. I would consider less talking and more taking notes from them.

You would basically die at 3% body fat. It's not physiologically possible or at very least not remotely sustainable, so whoever tested you just stole your money. Go ahead and work on litigation to get your moneyz back.

Getting carbs/protein RIGHT after a workout gives you zero edge over waiting a few hours and then eating unless you are literally depleting glycogen stores and then some aka doing loads of cardio. If we're talking about lifting here, it really doesn't matter at all. You can continue to "believe" it all you like but it's really not adding anything.

Just eat and lift. Unless you're trying to compete you really don't need to do more than that. Simply be mindful of the calories you are eating and adjust based on cutting/gaining goals. Forget about meal timing and all that stuff. It's good to be on top of micronutrients, but whole wheat vs. white foods or complex carbs vs. simple carbs doesn't seem to mean anything with regards to body composition unless some medical diagnosis dictates otherwise.

tldr don't be a **** bro and just eat and lift you piece of shit.

[Jstampz]

You're idiotic "professional" input is just as ignorant as my 3% body fat level.

I'm not a power lifter who looks to build brute strength. This "lift and eat" mentality you swear by does not allow my body to gain the significant amount of muscle I desire. I'm at a very low body fat percentage. Lower than each of yours- I guarantee it. Whether it's 3% or 13%, it's relatively low. I was tested on an Omran body fat percentage machine. It read 3% body fat. I paid nothing, I simply stepped on it, followed the guys instructions, said thank you, and left. It could have been completely wrong, but I read what I read.

Alex Kirk, my body is not like yours, or Mr. Harter's. Joey use to be fat and I'd imagine you aren't the skinniest man either. I have been skinny my entire life with a higher level of difficulty to gain, and sustain a good amount of muscle. I don't waste my time counting macros/micros. I have a general idea of protein/carb levels in my food. I HAVE to eat a lot to get big. Eat big, get big "bro".

It's a fact, that carbs right after a workout is one of the most beneficial nutrients you need to restore what you've lost during your workout.

You jack **** may wait hours to eat, but as for me, I'll continue my eating habits while continuing to gain muscle.

I understand AO has a quality point. The window your body has to supply nutrients back into the system after a workout is larger than imagine. But I rather drink my shake RIGHT after a workout. It works for me, and MY body. So I'll stick to it. You stick to cycling bud.

Your jealousy is sweet Kirk. I miss it greatly. **kisses**

Thank you Beas for the helpful information. It seems we have similar eating habits. I've heard some good things about Beef protein and was only wondering if it was a better powder to shoot for, since it's cheaper.

[devin-]

skinfold caliper's are much more accurate for calculating body fat %

[nhoj]

Instead of being a dickhead and ignoring what everyone said, after all they are trying to help you. You should consider taking their advice and add it to your daily routine as they won't harm you at all. Don't forget supplements are called supplements for a reason, to fill the gaps your diet . If you don't want to wait an hour to eat it, why don't you make a lunch box and eat it after your done? It's going to save you a lot of money in the long run. Chicken and veggies is a cheap and simple option since chicken taste delicious even if it's unheated.

If you still think you can't reach the goal at your current state, hire a professional trainer who knows what (s)he is doing.

If you keep a tunnel vision on diet and training and thinking what works for you at your current state is the best and only solution before cycling around with different routines. You will most likely find more problems than not gaining muscles.


Shit talking about the people trying to help you will definitely not help you..

[Jstampz]

Instead of being a dickhead and ignoring what everyone said, after all they are trying to help you. You should consider taking their advice and add it to your daily routine as they won't harm you at all. Don't forget supplements are called supplements for a reason, to fill the gaps your diet . If you don't want to wait an hour to eat it, why don't you make a lunch box and eat it after your done? It's going to save you a lot of money in the long run. Chicken and veggies is a cheap and simple option since chicken taste delicious even if it's unheated.

If you still think you can't reach the goal at your current state, hire a professional trainer who knows what (s)he is doing.

If you keep a tunnel vision on diet and training and thinking what works for you at your current state is the best and only solution before cycling around with different routines. You will most likely find more problems than not gaining muscles.


Shit talking about the people trying to help you will definitely not help you..

Advice? Calling me a "piece of shit" isn't much advice bud.


I've tried numerous routines. Switching from various meals, times, and even workouts. I've found what best fits me, and I am sticking to it. I'll take some of what is said and apply to my routine but for the most part what was said doesn't apply to a guy trying to pack on a large amount of muscle. The tips given by Joey, and Alex (if you call them tips), mostly apply to someone who desires to just lift weights.

The only useful advice given were from you, Beas, and AO.

I'm not trying to be a dick head here, but when you open a forum to name call and be an ass such as Kirk so obviously did, I will fire back.

As said before, I thank you all for your input.

[kirk]

You're idiotic "professional" input is just as ignorant as my 3% body fat level.

I'm not a power lifter who looks to build brute strength. This "lift and eat" mentality you swear by does not allow my body to gain the significant amount of muscle I desire. I'm at a very low body fat percentage. Lower than each of yours- I guarantee it. Whether it's 3% or 13%, it's relatively low. I was tested on an Omran body fat percentage machine. It read 3% body fat. I paid nothing, I simply stepped on it, followed the guys instructions, said thank you, and left. It could have been completely wrong, but I read what I read.

You call me idiotic while not understanding how impossible it'd be to be 3% body fact for any extended period of time.

Your body does not defy the law of thermodynamics, bro. Sorry, you're just not that special. If anything the "lift and eat" mentality IS for YOUR body type specifically. Why don't you eat a **** jar of peanut butter, a pound of cashews, or drink a gallon of whole milk every day. It's not hard in the slightest, you're just favoring nutrient dense foods (which is good) and relying on them for weight gain without understanding that they tend to be calorie-sparse. That's a ridiculously uphill battle; you need to incorporate more calorie-dense foods. Calories in/calories out, dude. This is like algebra.

Alex Kirk, my body is not like yours, or Mr. Harter's. Joey use to be fat and I'd imagine you aren't the skinniest man either. I have been skinny my entire life with a higher level of difficulty to gain, and sustain a good amount of muscle. I don't waste my time counting macros/micros. I have a general idea of protein/carb levels in my food. I HAVE to eat a lot to get big. Eat big, get big "bro".

What the **** why do you think everyone is saying "eat and lift"? You are entirely incapable of actually absorbing what people are telling you.

It's a fact, that carbs right after a workout is one of the most beneficial nutrients you need to restore what you've lost during your workout.

Really? Provide some evidence to support these facts! God I wonder how people on ketogenic diets do it when they eat 0g carbs per day. How is it that they get big without eating carbs? Please do explain this to me since I clearly know way more than you!

What makes you think you need to restore anything after a workout unless glycogen stores are depleted? Do you know what glycogen is? If glycogen and free state fatty acids are not depleted, doing both of which would be an astounding feat if you are not doing massive amounts of cardio, then what the **** are you even talking about?

You jack **** may wait hours to eat, but as for me, I'll continue my eating habits while continuing to gain muscle.

I understand AO has a quality point. The window your body has to supply nutrients back into the system after a workout is larger than imagine. But I rather drink my shake RIGHT after a workout. It works for me, and MY body. So I'll stick to it. You stick to cycling bud.

No one said you're wrong to do it, just that it's unnecessary. You could drink that shake hours after the fact and be fine. Human metabolism has evolved for hundreds of thousands of years; you won't lose muscle if you don't drink your precious protein shake precisely 10 minutes after lifting, dude.

If you are continuing to gain muscle then what do you need our input for? One second you struggle, the next you're gaining, pick one.

Thank you Beas for the helpful information. It seems we have similar eating habits. I've heard some good things about Beef protein and was only wondering if it was a better powder to shoot for, since it's cheaper.

Kid doesn't know what amino acids are.

Advice? Calling me a "piece of shit" isn't much advice bud.

I've tried numerous routines. Switching from various meals, times, and even workouts. I've found what best fits me, and I am sticking to it. I'll take some of what is said and apply to my routine but for the most part what was said doesn't apply to a guy trying to pack on a large amount of muscle. The tips given by Joey, and Alex (if you call them tips), mostly apply to someone who desires to just lift weights.

The only useful advice given were from you, Beas, and AO.

I'm not trying to be a dick head here, but when you open a forum to name call and be an ass such as Kirk so obviously did, I will fire back.

As said before, I thank you all for your input.

Calling you a piece of shit wasn't the advice. Read above me calling you a piece of shit. There's your knowledge.

[kirk]

LIKE WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT WEIGHT GAIN WHEN YOU EAT EGG WHITES? Shit gets me HEATED. DAMN.

[Beas]