Nineteen Eleven

moosh wrote:It was more along the lines of were privileged to more information than the general public, and i'd say i half agree with most of our conduct towards Iran based on what i've personally seen. Yes the U.S. is a giant **** bully and i hate hearing we have 3 carriers in the gulf, but until i'm not in the military i'll trust in my bosses.

No doubt you're privileged to more information, but from the looks of it that privileged information is irrelevant in what ThatsRight is trying to say. He's making a case based on history rather than current information which is withheld from the general public.

Also realize that specific comment wasn't so much directed towards you as much as img.

moosh wrote:Alright, but if anything is to change in our relations with Iran someone has to back down first and forgive the other for past indiscretions. Who will that be?

I assume this is a rhetorical question? As in, you already have an opinion? I can tell you that, from my understanding of our history with Iran (which admittedly is not extensive), we should be apologizing for a lot. Of course if we back down and say, "sorry about that whole installing the Shah thing a couple decades back," then the American public will freak out because the propaganda against Iran has been in full force for far too long.

As far as who should step back first, I don't know. I should probably learn more about the history of all of this before answering. The idealist in me, of course, is all "well we should just talk and arrive at this forgiveness mutually!" But then I come back to Earth and realize that ain't happening. But then again, either country saying, "yeah we've been wrong this whole time, please accept our apology" also won't happen.

Don't know. We all dun goofed, it seems.

unpro wrote:thank you for being reasonable kirk.

im not angry he was banned, im upset because you somehow think having him neg banned for having a different opinion than your friend who doesnt do anything to refute his opinion with factual evidence of his own - is the correct thing to do. everything Reh has posted i believe(i would have to go back through it all) has a basis in fact. nothing moosh or img have countered with have anything outside of opinion except the naval terminology and information on the fleet linked in that video.

i find it rather pathetic someone of your age isnt capable of reading a few paragraphs before damning a person or at least comming up with a reasonable retort to his argument.

I negged him because he said mean personal things, not anything to do with arguments. Sometimes you just get negged for being a douche.

did you neg anyone for insulting him?