Occupy Wall Street

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However, I will not excuse the average American for one second. They bought bigger and better houses than they could afford. They cashed out on equity to buy boats, fund educations, go on vacations, and live the high life. Every one ate it up because it was good for basically every sector for a few decades.
I have a problem with this. I have a large problem with a lot of things you have said, but I have a huge problem equating education to vacations and boats. One is part of upward mobility, seeking a better life. That isn't bad or wrong, and quite frankly, **** you for equating that with buying bigger and bigger homes.

I don't fault anyone for wanting better. I fault people for being reckless in their endeavors to achieve it, but I don't think the average American has been reckless. He's taking advice from the people he should and how to invest his money.

What the average person can't brace for is the unfettered speculation in the markets by a handful of hedge funds and investment entities looking to nickle and dime every single other person. The people who sit behind a computer all day manipulating markets and ultimately destroying small-time investors, producers, and employers with a simple key click.

It's become a macabre version of itself, and the rules are being designed to protect those who have all the money from having to be accountable for their unethical and often illegal practices.
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I have a problem with this. I have a large problem with a lot of things you have said, but I have a huge problem equating education to vacations and boats. One is part of upward mobility, seeking a better life. That isn't bad or wrong, and quite frankly, **** you for equating that with buying bigger and bigger homes.

I don't fault anyone for wanting better. I fault people for being reckless in their endeavors to achieve it, but I don't think the average American has been reckless. He's taking advice from the people he should and how to invest his money.

I didn't equate education as the same as boats or vacations. I said people were using the equity in their homes to pay for things that they would not have otherwise been able to attain- borrowing borrowing and borrowing. In other words, living above their means. Some parents were refinancing to cash in equity on their homes to pay for educations.

Upward Mobility? Someone wants to move up a social class. Let's take your average four year degree+Law school. They're giving up say a conservative estimate of 7 x $20,000 of earnings( $140,000), and spending another $200,000 on college expenses. Then, they are going to have debt service costs compounding against them($50000-60000?), in addition to crowd out spending that will prevent them from taking advantages of possible opportunities (???) or putting their money to work for them (???)

Doing this is a SUBSTANTIAL risk. Not only do you have to bank on the fact that you actually find (and keep) said dream job, but you've now dug yourself a tremendous financial hole. A hole that you have to take years to dig out of just to get back to where you were to start, let alone to "have upward mobility".

Yet, people today take on these costs without batting an eye. It's a slam dunk they all say. It's my ticket to a good life. If too many people beleive this, then you have what we have now. Rising costs, and diminishing returns on the investment.


Trust me. When it becomes accepted or "the thing to do", you better be running the other way.
What the average person can't brace for is the unfettered speculation in the markets by a handful of hedge funds and investment entities looking to nickle and dime every single other person.
http://maysreport.files.wordpress.com/2 ... resent.jpg

Why don't you take a good, hard long look at that graph.

Do you expect me to beleive that the average American was oblivious to the fact that this was NOT normal? It was only the hedge fund kings and speculators driving this? It was the actions of millions and millions of individuals that created this. That they could buy a house for $200,000. Cash in on $50,000 equity a few years later and then cash in again a few years later for $75,000 more.

You want to blame the banks for people borrowing too much? Just because the money is there, doesn't mean anyone had to take it. It's a two way street. You could load a table up with sweets and fattening foods. If I chow down for a decade, do I look in the mirrow and blame myself for being fat, or do I yell at the people who put the food on the table?

Americans became addicted to free flowing credit and things coming easy from nothing. Consuming. Individual households were consuming more than they took in. You can do that in the short-term, but over the long-run, it's of course impossible. Without savings, there is NO FUTURE.

The bill **** came due.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

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mg_ wrote:
It's become a macabre version of itself, and the rules are being designed to protect those who have all the money from having to be accountable for their unethical and often illegal practices.
“There is only one boss. The customer. And he can fire everybody in the company from the chairman on down, simply by spending his money somewhere else.” Sam Walton.


If the 99% doesn't like the jobs going overseas, then they should have stopped buying the cheap garbage. Then, as shareholders, they should not have demanded more and more to fund their retirements. If you don't like the way Bank of America or GM does business, they're unethical....take your money else where. If you don't like Goldman Sachs, tell them to take a hike, and watch them crumble.

No Ceo or company is immortal.

Suddenly, it's all the fat cat hedgefund kings who destroyed America. All these big shots up in their towers of ivory just laughing gleefully at the little people. No "tiny" group of 1% brought this about. It was the boss. The greedy American Consumer (I'm looking at you "greatest generation".)
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Sorry but i fast-forwarded to this page and instead of stating my opinion, I would like to start by asking who the **** you are.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

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I am the 1%

:roll:
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P.s I think its about time you all stopped asking why this happened and started talking about what should be done about it.


p.p.s I agree wholly with AlexKirk and Gwolf.

p.p.p.s 400 people in America having more wealth than the bottom 150 million should be changed, job creators and trickle down is a load of bullshit and the only thing maintaining current regulations and taxes is going to do is further hinder social mobility and increase our already horrific level of social stratification.
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BrentMusburger wrote:I am the 1%

:roll:

Really, could we please have your accounts and monetary information to further emphasize AlexKirk's and Gwolf's points?
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

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Last thing i'll post on this thread because I thought it was fun to do:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010 ... aphic.html
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JamesDecker wrote:Last thing i'll post on this thread because I thought it was fun to do:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010 ... aphic.html
Really...a NY Times link...they aren't biased...
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CharlieGiteau wrote:Really...a NY Times link...they aren't biased...
Clearly you didn't bother looking at the link, **** retard.
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