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Re: A storm is coming
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:54 pm
by ThatsRight
Moosh...Five years on the same ship and no amount of anything besides being home can raise my morale. Work 6 to 6 6 days a week and I still defend the navy's actions of having no ulterior motives. But if there are benefits to helping other countries they're all over it. But aide is truly the primary motive.
Hmmm. So where was the aid for Iraq in the 90's? Where's the aid for Iran right now as we destroy their currency, which obviously is designed to hit the people? Surely they should warrant our help just as much as the folks in Singapore, since aide is the primary motive.
The BBC article was reporting from a study of the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, titled "Sanctions and childhood mortality in Iraq", that was published in the May 2000 Lancet medical journal.[52] The study concluded that in southern and central Iraq, infant mortality rate between 1994 and 1999 had risen to 108 per 1,000. Up from 47 per 1,000 live births between 1984 and 1989. This compares to approximately 7 per 1,000 in the UK.
Estimates of excess deaths during sanctions vary depending on the source.
Unicef: 500,000 children (including sanctions, collateral effects of war). "[As of 1999] [c]hildren under 5 years of age are dying at more than twice the rate they were ten years ago."
Former U.N. Humanitarian Coordinator in Iraq Denis Halliday: "Two hundred thirty-nine thousand children 5 years old and under" as of 1998
Iraqi Baathist government: 1.5 million
Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark: 1.5 million (includes sanctions, bombs and other weapons, depleted uranium poisonin
Iraqi Cultural Minister Hammadi: 1.7 million (includes sanctions, bombs and other weapons, depleted uranium poisoning
Re: A storm is coming
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:03 pm
by ThatsRight
moosh wrote:How are we to provide aid when they don't want us in the Gulf? And threaten us with death if we go in?
THEY threaten US with death?
So let me get this straight. You think that they just have a hatred for Americans, so much so that they would turn down our aid. Do you think there's a reason that they would feel that strongly? Or....?
I mean do you see the problem with your reasoning?
Re: A storm is coming
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:10 pm
by ThatsRight
Have you ever been there? Have you ever had your ships chemical attack alarms go off at 2am? Ever been fired at by Iranian surface ships?
Given the history of the U.s with Iran and the U.s with Iraq (assuming you actually know ALL of it), what type of reaction would you expect?
I'm sorry but you're playing it off like the Navy ships that sailed half way across the world and got put in harms way for empire power projection are some sort of helpless victum.
WHy doesn't Canada get attacked by terrorists? Why are Canadian ships never attacked with chemical weapons?
I mean, I've never been bombed for 10 years, and starved with sanctions, but I'd imagine I wouldn't be very friendly either. How would you as a navy person react to a foreign power having their ships near America?
Re: A storm is coming
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:12 pm
by ThatsRight
Do you not understand we don't give a shit about the country of Iran? And that's why the don't get dick. Or do you just think we should treat every asshole country the same?
Ahhh, so those people within Iran deserve to die. I see. They don't count as people in your book?
So, if the mission is about helping innocent people, why do the innocent people in Iran not deserve aid? Then again, they wouldn't need aid if we weren't destroying their currency to force Iran to give us our way.