Nineteen Eleven

no, i think people should be able to guide how they want there society to develop. im far from politically correct, i could give a **** about that shit honestly. like i said, i dont like it, doesnt mean im going to go to uganda and tell them to stop. i can say "well thats **** up" and i can say, "well i dont agree with you but its not MY COUNTRY or society so you guys have fun, just dont bring that shit over here"

ill shoot the first mother **** that does that to my family, in court, in front of cameras and cops. ill never feel a remote bit of remorse. does that make my actions morally just? no. i accept that i will go to jail for that action, possibly even get the death penalty for it, that doesnt change my attitude towards the behavior or my reactions to it.

unpro wrote:no, i think people should be able to guide how they want there society to develop. im far from politically correct, i could give a **** about that shit honestly. like i said, i dont like it, doesnt mean im going to go to uganda and tell them to stop. i can say "well thats **** up" and i can say, "well i dont agree with you but its not MY COUNTRY or society so you guys have fun, just dont bring that shit over here"

ill shoot the first mother **** that does that to my family, in court, in front of cameras and cops. ill never feel a remote bit of remorse. does that make my actions morally just? no. i accept that i will go to jail for that action, possibly even get the death penalty for it, that doesnt change my attitude towards the behavior or my reactions to it.

Must be nice to win the universal lottery and be born in the USA. Had you been born there, as a child, you'd be begging for aid. And you'd believe it to be immoral to NOT help when someone (or a country) is in a position to do so. The only reason you refrain from believing it now is because you were born here, fortunately, and as such don't feel that moral dilemma.

I guess I'm more willing to accept the moral responsibility to help people, even if they don't live next door and even if I will never meet them. Because, no matter how you try to justify it, turning the other cheek on others who are suffering is immoral.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine,_Af ... d_Morality

But, whatever lets you sleep at night.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... again.html

i found it entertaining.

It argues that affluent persons are morally obligated to donate far more resources to humanitarian causes than is considered normal in Western cultures.

most do donate a lot of money. even corporations do a lot of work to try and benefit people. most corporations donate millions of dollars a year to charities.

how many people who make 1mil + a year dont donate to a charity of some kind?

im not affluent, i dont have lots of money. i fail to see how an essay saying people with millions of dollars should help the less fortunate has anything to do with a person such as myself, who lives under the poverty line. yea, i live in america. a country with one of the highest, if not the highest, poverty levels in the developed world. i fail to see your point.

why arent we focusing more on fixing our own issues instead of pushing ourselves onto other countries? seems kinda silly to ignore the starving kids in your own city while you fly to some south american or african country and talk about how much you value charity and helping the less fortunate.

It's pretty easy for Peter Schiff to say that capitalism is the "most compassionate system" being a lifetime 1%'er. Must have been hard on him growing up in New Haven, getting to go to Berkeley, and using the money he already had, trading it around to make a bunch more money.

I don't totally disagree with everything he has to say, as I often find this to be the case with libertarians. It's the lack of empathy that's so disappointing. I feel like if he had a psychedelic experience he would probably end up suicidal.

He also has a fundamental misunderstanding of what "greed" is, especially in the human context. So, instead of being all "reasoned", as libertarians like to see themselves, he just comes off as extra ****.

Excellent thread by the way, we should have more of these, reppin everyone (even [strike]turd sandwich[/strike] unpro ).

yea, hes had money his entire life. doesnt mean he hasnt worked very hard to keep and grow his business to the level it is.

the main point he makes though is these bailouts shouldnt have happened, he admits to paying around 50% tax on his income, and can you blame him for thinking a higher tax is a little obscene?

sure the base tax is 35% on the wealthiest, but the marginal tax is what really gets them. people seem to forget about that, and completely disregard the situation of the country when looking at tax history and GDP or job growth during periods in the past 60 years. the highest growth occurred during the period during/after ww2 and the height of the cold war when we where pushing out massive amounts of resources to other countries rebuilding from devastating war and increasing our own production and manufacturing base to compensate for the need and to compete with the soviets in development of new technologies. we spent massive amounts of money developing new technologies and enhancing science and its propped us up for years.

after that was the late 80s and 90s. a period when the dotcom bubble started to appear and computers and the related technologies really started to come into effect. we have been in a downward spiral manufacturing wise for years, and once we start spending money to support 2 wars as well as endure a massive recession, suddenly it looks bad. bail out companies that should have failed, and suddenly they have the liquid assets to sit on the funds and manage to balloon themselves back up. nothings changed, we just enabled people who made terrible decisions to benefit from the decisions. its like giving a guy who killed a person while driving drunk a new car and a lifetime supply of budweiser with no repercussions. it wont change the behavior and it puts it in his mind that its acceptable.

thanks sears, you are a [strike]turd sandwich[/strike] nice guy.

The **** is obscene about having millionaires pay more taxes than they already pay? What does a guy making $10 million/year need all or even half of that for? **** that shit. Zero sympathy for **** like that. Zero. Guess how much of a **** I'd give if the NBA capped pay on all its players to $250,000/year. Zero ****. Zero. Side with their "right" to be ****, or side with a better society that actually takes care of all members in the most basic form? Easy, easy decision for me.

inb4 communism
inb4 they earned it
inb4 sense of entitlement

This thread is messing with my Buddhism.

http://www.donothingfor2minutes.com/

Om

Kirk - capitalism is awesome..... till someone makes more money than i think is OK. Then they should work for free.