Nineteen Eleven

nik wrote:

PoweR wrote:sorry to get back on the actual ban of noname, but why is it so hard to understand that the french community (what's left of it anyway) don't trust the tpg's AC team? I mean we get flamed pretty much everywhere for being french (or french speaker) and when i see the likes of tonymontana who seems to only wait treads like this one to release all his frustration (no moderation for that?), it makes me wonder if you are actually objective when you have to watch the demos of a french player.

I don't think there is a real problem. As far as I know clan arsenik (and maybe you also) has always thought both Noname and FLoyd cheated. Wasn't noname on the dod.fr banlist ? The verbal abuse you are talking about is from 1911. Not tpg. Unless ward is still an admin which would be somewhat inappropriate I guess. But 1911 should not be taken too seriously. Every post is sarcastic, cynical or whatever. Even for me it is not easy to know if they are serious (99% of the time they are not). For someone from France I imagine it is even more confusing.

Also no one here takes tony seriously except maybe loker. It would be best if a french european dod player joined the AC team (if there ever is a next tpg.euro). So things won't get out of hand like with the Foyd ban. ALso I don't believe the french who feel wronged ever since the floyd ban. Ever actually disputed any of the non-french players.

I'm not here to discuss if noname actually cheated or not, i don't know and i'm also not here to defend him, he's a big boy.
About the verbal abuse, i'm not just talking about this forum. We never really were taken seriously (rightly or wrongly) by the EU community (despite being one of the biggest community) and i don't expect that it will be the case here.
That being said, i find your idea about a french player in the AC team really good considering the big gap between the "anti cheat system" in the french community and the TPG, it certainly would help to explain the decision to the french community and avoid further shitstorm like the one with Floyd.

@An1maL Really? you just quoted like 6-8 french player you don't actually have trouble with.
And what you're saying about the french teams could be applied to pretty much all european communities (german, spanish, polish etc..), yet we're the only one to actually get abused every time on the international forums, even for a non-french player like me it's getting pretty boring so i can't imagine what they feel like. My point is that i think it's pretty normal to feel a bit suspicious on decisions like this one when you know nobody cares about you.

PoweR wrote:And what you're saying about the french teams could be applied to pretty much all european communities (german, spanish, polish etc..), yet we're the only one to actually get abused every time on the international forums

dunno, I haven't seen much french abuse outside of the threads where a french player has been banned for cheating...

if there was, it wouldn't be surprising, since the most vocal french person posting on this site is l0ker, not the best ambassador

you are right about the other nationalities, even the UK has chumps like skweek's crew. it just seems that france produces more cheaters than other countries (probably because france has more overall players)

Well, everytime I have played a french team there is either some guy warping or he's using that god damn mousewheel-duck-unhittable as **** bind, or is just unhittable in general (wasabi or someone like that?).
And then fact that french people act like it's them against the world, a french player that 12man regularly said that when floyd got banned he was asked to stand up for floyd just because he was french and when he refused to do so he was on the "traitor of france" list.
I remember going to the tourist shop in paris when on a trip with my family and they wouldn't speak english to me, thats the kind of people I'm supposed to feel bad for when there is always someone exploiting some script etc. when you play them.?

I must say most of the englishmen I know are sort of biassed concerning french

I myself never had any problems with french people untill P4 and Su showed up and started blatantly hacking vs me and hiding his hltv demo's from everyone while still making fragmovies. He also aparantly caught smokk cheating which looked convincing and there was this whole le stinge has no flower argument. But none of these things were ever properly settled. There has been a growing sense of distrust between the community's ever since this period. Anyway, that is how I see it.

I always liked playing vs EUS and Arsenik (even though Wazabi really is unhittable). For a long time playing french clans was the only good opponent you could find. And I hardly ever had any problems. But now I am talking about 2 years ago.

Well, everytime I have played a french team there is either some guy warping or he's using that god damn mousewheel-duck-unhittable as **** bind, or is just unhittable in general (wasabi or someone like that?).

Again, i could say the same about spanish teams for example.

And then fact that french people act like it's them against the world, a french player that 12man regularly said that when floyd got banned he was asked to stand up for floyd just because he was french and when he refused to do so he was on the "traitor of france" list.

Im not saying there's nothing wrong with the french community, there's a lot : the "france agaisn't the world" is one of them (and i must be a part of that "traitor of france" list since i didn't suck floyd's dick either) but i don't think there's more than in other countries and still we get 300% more abuse.

I remember going to the tourist shop in paris when on a trip with my family and they wouldn't speak english to me, thats the kind of people I'm supposed to feel bad for when there is always someone exploiting some script etc. when you play them.?

I bet you have also some assholes working in tourist shops in stockholm.


@nik Well nobody liked Su or the P4 teams in France either, there has been some epic shitstorm on dodfrance (french community site). The problem is that we're a kinda closed community for some of the reasons i have said, so you only hear about french player when something bad happens like a cheating case or when we cry after a defeat in .eu officials.

also many people joke about calli saving dod etc.

But often it are single persons that are keeping things together. You need these type of persons, especially when dealing with as you put it "closed community's". I think Bibop played a important part in the communication vs france and the other counrtries or in the countless pcws we played. He sort of dropped after the FLoyd ban and all we have now is Loker flaming all the time.

PoweR wrote:still we get 300% more abuse.

man, where is this abuse you're talking about?

sure there's people saying in this thread 'another french cheater' etc, but look in the karl1san thread at the abuse towards him being argentinan, and if there was a polish or spanish cheater i'm sure it would be the same.

This would be so easy if there were as much lan's as back in the days. play good at lan should prove enough... imo.

jizziztszsz wrote:This would be so easy if there were as much lan's as back in the days. play good at lan should prove enough... imo.

Not sure. I think both Floyd and Noname should be ok on lan.
I am less certain about blank though. And the likes of chriseh and aimtek would be really bad.

An1maL wrote:

PoweR wrote:still we get 300% more abuse.

man, where is this abuse you're talking about?

sure there's people saying in this thread 'another french cheater' etc, but look in the karl1san thread at the abuse towards him being argentinan, and if there was a polish or spanish cheater i'm sure it would be the same.

Well it's simple things really (im not just talking about cheater's thread) but when you add them all up (since like 5-6 years) can get pretty annoying. You have all the insults before, during and after the war, all the "jokes" or clear insults on the forums and im not even talking about what some foreign players say when they come playing on french ffa server (bnzr if you heaarrr me).
I also think you know pretty well that french players are less considered on the international scene or you're lying :p
Still i'm not trying to get dramatic, we're not verbally rape it's just really annoying.


edit : my flag is moving, all your arguments are now invalid
edit2 : nevermind :p